River of love – Dallas to New York

As I was not in town Saturday I missed the talk “Time is not a Factor” by David Hohle so I listened to it on the internet. I was astounded to be reminded of an experience I had several years ago that appeared like a miracle to many people who knew the story.

At that time my daughter Karen and family lived in Whitestone NY.  She is a flight attendant for a major airline which entitles her parents to fly space available – no ticket required. When I plan to visit them, we coordinate my schedule with hers so she is home and not working. As there was no direct flight from Tucson to NY, I usually would change planes in Dallas.  I never had difficulty with this practice until one particular visit.  That summer, huge storms came up in Texas and many flights were severely delayed to and from the DFW airport.   When I arrived, the terminal was teeming with stranded passengers and I found I was number 68 on the standby waiting list for NY.  Most all of the others were paying standby passengers with priority.  It looked impossible.  Then my daughter flew in – she was actually supposed to be in NY already but her flight was delayed also.   Her working flight was cancelled to NY so she too was standing by but jump seat qualified so not a problem.  She vowed, however, to stay overnight with me if necessary and it did look inevitable as the list of people ahead of me was growing by the minute.  

I knew down to my toes that it was correct for us to be in NY that night – many things were planned for the visit and it was a short window.  I gave it to God. The feeling of strong assurance came to me that we were in a river of love running through it all in spite of how it looked humanly.  I pictured us moving forward in this river and at our destination as planned because God was the doer here.  I felt serene and confident.  I passed this on to Karen and asked her to visualize our moving on to NY.  She got it and she did.  At one point we walked up to the front desk to see what the list was doing. It was bigger.  Just then, Karen overheard the desk clerk telling someone that another flight, also scheduled hours earlier and delayed, was set to leave in a few minutes.  Karen’s ears perked up and she asked how many standbys were on the list for that plane as usually when one flight leaves, all the listed people are rolled over to the next one and that had not happened yet.  The clerk said none and there were two empty seats. She quickly rolled our names over to it on the computer and said “run.”  — We ran and were awarded the last two seats on that plane just as they were closing the doors.  We reached NY in time for a yummy dinner her husband had prepared for us.

When I listened to our lecture, I realized this experience was an exact illustration of what Mr. Hohle was talking about.  He described how time was not linear and stepping out of that box by mentally moving forward proved it.  I did not understand the Principle behind what unfolded In Dallas at that time but did know it was God in action and we both acknowledged that.  This talk brought the experience back to the forefront and I am so grateful to be gaining a fresh understanding of this demonstration and greatly appreciate Mr. Hohle’s choosing this topic. I will continue to listen until I have a better hold on this subject and am so grateful for Christian Science and our wonderful church here in Green Valley.  I would also like to acknowledge the tools we out of town members have to participate in our services and lectures by phone and internet.    Helene Benedikte

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Christian Science Lecture: “Time is not a factor in your life” — by David Hohle, CSB

Time is not a factor in your life

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Love is the Liberator

In February, 2013 I was in Pennsylvania at my daughter’s house in the Pocono mountains waiting for the “emergence” of my grandson Dylan.  Her mother-in-law was also present – we were having fun with our other little grandchild Alina.  The evening my daughter and hubby were in the hospital in Scranton, I excused myself to retire early to my room as a  sharp pain in my chest seemed to be developing.  I declared Truth as learned in Christian Science since childhood and was calm and unafraid.  The strong message came not to let anyone catch wind of this – just keep working in the Christian Science way.  The pain increased to the point it was difficult to breathe.  I had a practitioner in our church in my phone on speed dial and called her.  I could not speak much but conveyed who I was and the error that was presenting.  She lovingly helped me right in the moment with positivity and strong assurance all was well.  Total relief, relaxation and peace pushed away any concerns.  I sat up in bed all night feeling loved and grateful, secure in God’s great love.  Breathing became easier right away and by morning there were no remnants of this experience.  I was healed in full.  That day, mother-in-law and I tugged two big garbage cans through the snow to the roadside and no one was the wiser!  That day was filled with beauty, gratitude, love and joy in the arrival of Dylan.  There has been no return of these symptoms and I remain immensely grateful for Christian Science and our loving practitioners.  There was and is no need to determine what the belief was.  Christian Science heals regardless in Jesus’ way.  I am also grateful for our wonderful hymns.  The words, “Everlasting arms of Love are beneath, around, above” from Hymn 53 were not only in my thought at this time but felt so deeply I knew all was well no matter what seemed to be the suggestion fighting for life.  Thanks to the practice of Christian Science healing, human chaos was totally avoided.  One can only imagine the turmoil that would have resulted otherwise!  Love is the liberator.

Love, Helene

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"Baby" - boat unharmed


October 2017
Divine Love’s supremacy in a hurricane

One of my daughters and her husband, who is Puerto Rican, had an all white pleasure boat named “Baby” moored at a marina in Fajardo, Puerto Rico. They live in Pennsylvania. When hurricane Maria approached at category 4 or 5 strength it looked like Baby was at great risk. Indeed, the marina was destroyed and most of the boats there sank or were destroyed.

However, a family friend in Puerto Rico went searching for Baby by boat as my son-in-law had the feeling she was ok. The friend found her about a mile and a half away resting in a big pile of debris above the high water line. Baby was unharmed with no punctures to the hull. The inside living quarters and engine compartment were dry. It was remarked by others that she looked like a bird resting in her nest. This reminded me of the song “White Bird” made popular by a group in the 60’s – “she must fly or she will die”. She is now known as “Baby White Bird”. She is flying! A successful group effort to extract her is under way and she will be stored safely on land until brought up to Pennsylvania. Our family members on the island are also safe.

What happened here – is this a “miracle” or a divinely natural outcome of God’s love and care when Truth is applied and realized? This boat was protected by the all powerful divine Principle Love and no uncontrolled rage of mortal mind called a hurricane could touch that. S & H 591: 21-22; 465, 466: 16-6

While praying for our resident Puerto Rican family, I realized I could not just outright dismiss and write off Baby. She was not in Truth a material object. This boat represented much life, love and joy to my daughter and son-in-law and was a part of them. Both were raised near the ocean – my daughter in Hawaii – and the ocean is dear to them both. I mentally wrapped Baby in the light of God’s love, thinking of her only in spiritual terms and keeping her safe in a crucible of light and love. Praying in this way each time the situation came to my thought until I felt at peace, I was able to maintain the idea of the boat as a spiritual representation of joyous living and loving qualities untouched by and floating above the seeming chaos.

I had a night dream years ago that I was about to be inundated by a huge tidal wave. In the dream I realized the wave was not real as it was coming from the land and the ocean was behind me. I turned my back on it and shouted to others on the beach that it was ok – the wave was not real. They did not listen and were swept away when it parted around me and kept going. I am still learning from this angel message. To me, this illustrates Baby’s protection. The hurricane was not harmful as the idea of this particular boat was being held in Truth.

I am so very grateful for Christian Science, our lovely church, Christ Jesus, Mary Baker Eddy and so much more!

Love Helene Benedikte

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One day I was going to my softball practice.  We were working on pop flies.  I reached out to get it and it hit my finger in mid air and bent it backwards.  It really hurt and I couldn’t move it at all.  When my mom came to pick me up after class I told her what had happened and she said some comforting things.  When we got home I called my practitioner and he said some very comforting things.  Weeks went by of praying.  After a few weeks I couldn’t even feel the slightest bit of pain and I was very grateful.  I go to the Christian Science Sunday School.

Ainsley, granddaughter of a member

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Christian Science practitioner instantly healed me of migraine headaches.


Christian Science practitioner instantly healed me of migraine headaches.
Judy: Tell me about your healing by a Christian Science practitioner of migraine headaches and the spiritual sense of well-being and peace that this spiritual healing left you with.
Jan: Oh, yes, that was just the dearest experience. It took place in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
The practitioner lived in a hotel, she had a suite. Her sister also lived in that hotel. They had a beautiful view of the lake, and she was very active.
I had been having migraine headaches for 35 years. The last one that I had, I was so ill that I just really felt that I wasn’t going to be able to manage another one. There’s that word “I” again, me, me, me, me! I hadn’t had any Practitioner working for me, [providing healing treatment] because this was something that just came up at unexpected times. [When it did] I would study and fill my thought with good and then I’d be okay, and then [there would be] a next time. So I decided that I was going to let God do it [heal me].
I opened up the Christian Science Journal [a publication that contains articles and verified accounts of spiritual healing] and I just kind of guided my finger and found a practitioner. When I called her it was like I was enveloped in love. It was something I had never experienced before. It was her voice; I could imagine what Mary Baker Eddy must have sounded like and how she must have dealt with things. There was something about her voice that love just flowed through the [phone] wires so to speak. She didn’t throw words at you. She wanted to meet with me and suggested that I come to the hotel and meet her in the lobby. Bert [my husband] drove me there. I went in and sat down on a bench right inside the door, and waited. And I heard these brisk footsteps coming along the hall. I looked up and here’s this tall, very erect, thin lady; crisply, beautifully dressed. Not fancy, just trim. She came directly to me and said, you must be Jan Gutteter, and I said yes I am. She said probably five sentences at the most. Then she was done. If I had walked past her in the hall less than five minutes later, I would not have recognized her. There was just no sense of person at all. No sense of personality. And, what the [Christian Science] Truth was that she spoke, I cannot recall. I went out to the car and Bert said, well, that was short. (She laughs.)
I called her a year later on something else. Her sister answered the phone and said she had passed on. She had been sitting in a chair, doing careful meditating for someone. Her sister said, you know, she was 91 years old. [Yet, when I saw her year earlier] she looked like she was maybe in her thirties. It’s kind of hard to judge ages when someone is that alive. She wasn’t what you’d call vivacious; she was just, uh, it was indescribable.
Judy: You mentioned the Practitioner “meditating.” Can you share with me what the word “meditating” means to you?
Jan: It was so effortless with her. I felt like she had gotten herself out of the picture. She just went directly to God. There is no sense of person there.
The outcome of my being healed was that I suddenly realized, oh my gosh, I haven’t had a migraine or a headache of any kind this last year, and I haven’t since! I just left it with her and it wasn’t part of me anymore. It took a year to recognize that I wasn’t having the kind of spells I’d been having, or believed I was having.
That was a beautiful, beautiful experience. And I think it’s the thing that keeps me grounded now, so to speak. I was flailing around a bit after Bert left (passed on). There were times that I even wondered if I should bother going to church.
Judy: You know Mary Baker Eddy put in our Church Manual, p. 42, “Prayer in Church, Sect 5. The prayers in Christian Science churches shall be offered for the congregations collectively and exclusively.” That tells me that Mrs. Eddy knew that Christian Scientists have a challenging road to travel and we need each other’s loving support along the way. And we need to come together at church to “collectively and exclusively” support, comfort, and express love for and to each other. Each student of Christian Science is an indispensable component in realizing our calling and fulfilling our duty as a true Church of Healers.
Jan Gutteter as recorded by Judy Piercy

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Christian Science healed my infant son of constipation


Christian Science healed my infant son of constipation
I had experiences with my little boy when he was just a few months old he wasn’t having bowel movements. This went on for a number of weeks, at least eight weeks. Yet he was smiling, he was nursing, he was completely normal in every way. He never cried. He slept through the night. But fear was beginning to enter in there, because people think children are being mistreated if they aren’t under medical care. I was studying different areas in the Science and Health, and would just open it up to different pages. I wish I could remember what it was that I read because it was something so clear to me that, there again, I was just at peace. And the next time I changed his diaper, “bing!” (We laughed.)
Judy: That is a wonderful testimony to the healing Spirit and the living Principle of Life, Truth and Love, ridding you of all fear so you were able to hold to God’s truth of the perfection of your child, His child.
Jan: Well, I had the advantage of being an at-home mom at that time. I’m not saying that’s why but at least I had the opportunity to meet this condition through what I believe. Because I really believe that God is the greatest power. And my husband, a Christian Scientist, left it to me [to work through and meet the error for our child]. He had complete confidence in God and me.
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Christian Science healed my extreme leg pain and disfunction.

Christian Science healed my extreme leg pain and disfunction.
During [Christian Science church services] on Sunday, I teach Daniel in our Sunday School. 0f course it’s very important to me to be there to teach him.
Two nights before a particular Sunday, I woke up in the middle of the night and my legs were pressed together so tight and uncomfortable that when I went to pull them apart it was a searing burning experience, like they were glued. And I thought, I am not going to acknowledge this. God is the law of my true being. I don’t have to acknowledge this. So I didn’t get out of bed. I didn’t look at my legs. I wasn’t going to give it any life whatsoever because. That’s all! In the morning I woke up and there was no evidence of a problem whatsoever and I even went outside and did some work that day which was a Saturday. Sunday School was a joy.
You know, some of these things are really hard to even relate because my heart is so full of gratitude and I know for the law of God’s goodness it isn’t real; it seems so unreal. And you [a practicing student of Christian Science and follower of discover Mary Baker Eddy’s teachings] know that it’s not real but it seems to be going on, you get a little bit of the idea of what it must have been like for Jesus.
Judy: And Mary Baker Eddy. She had many seemingly physical ailments to overcome.
Jan: Oh, yes, even as a child. And, I often wonder how she could be the author of a [text]book like that [ Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures,] when she herself was having difficulties [ yet the writing inspiration would be there, day after day]. She was a marvelous [spiritual] thinker.

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Christian Science healed my painful feet.

Christian Science healed my painful feet.
Jan: [Conducting the principal part of Christian Science Sunday services and Wednesday meetings is a Reader(s) job. Wednesday spiritual meetings include singing of hymns, readings from the Bible and the Christian Science textbook, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy, recitation of the Lord’s Prayer, and testimonies of healings or comments on Christian Science from the congregation. One Wednesday meeting, the Reader recited a verse from hymn No. 57 of the Christian Science Hymnal.] When he read it from the [podium] desk, I had been glued to my bench because I wasn’t going to get up to give another [healing] testimony because I’d already given testimony and I (laughingly) thought, this is overdoing it a little.
But when he read the last verse:
“Naught shall affright us, on Thy goodness leaning;
Low in the heart faith singeth still her song;
Chastened and blessed we learn life’s deeper meaning,
Thus in our meekness Thou dost make us strong.
But that [hymnal verse] just hit me like, my gosh, I’d better get up! It was almost like I was being pushed!
I thought, I am strong because God has made me that way. I was meek enough to put God first rather than looking for a healing or release from pain. I was looking to see Him as the only power. And considering I was at one moment to be in agony and next everything was just at peace.
[Prior to this healing of my seemingly deformed feet] Every day I had been keeping in thought the 91st Psalm. In there it says, “He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.91:1 ..… For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.91:11” I just knew I was safe.
Judy: It just proves that the material body is not material but spiritual.
Jan: Yes, because any of these experiences are growing experiences. You know you are, uh, what should I say, uh, your faith gets tested. Not because God tests but because maybe, maybe, something is going on in your life or your thinking is needing to be recognized. If you don’t recognize it, you aren’t going to be doing too much about it.
It seems like I have a need to learn right now because of the challenges that have come up, one right after the other.
[In handling the fear of an illusion of deformed feet] I think for the very first time I got a real glimmer of the fact that we can of our own self do nothing. You know it’s all God working through us. If it wasn’t for us, He couldn’t be God. And if it weren’t for God, we couldn’t be us. He’s the “I,” we are the “AM.” And I had never thought of it in that way before.
Judy: Thank you for sharing that. I’ve never thought of “I AM” in that way before either.
Jan: Well, in the morning I woke up earlier than usual. I was in pain, which seemed to be in my feet. I sat up in bed and when I went to put my feet down, I looked down because it was like, how can I use them? They were all twisted out of shape. It was really grotesque. I didn’t have anything to hold onto in the bedroom and I had to get to the toilet. It was such a belief of suffering it was hard to be coherent or think clearly. But I guess that I had enough wits about me that I somehow used the side of my heel and I managed to stumble my way into the bathroom. I just stood there and I couldn’t even move to sit down on the toilet. I was standing in front of the sink. I don’t think that I’ve ever experienced something quite [like it]. It could have been so frightening.
As I stood there in absolute agony I was led to turn to the great heart of Love – My thought was -God, I know you love me and I love you – there is no fear in Love. The response to this was that within a few minutes the pain completely left, I was able to do what I came to the bathroom to do. I did not have to look at my feet to know I was completely free. I walked normally back to the bedroom, went to bed and slept peacefully. In the morning I went about my normal activities and when I happened to look down- my feet were in their usual shape.
And all of a sudden I thought, God is the only power, work out from God. It was like I reached out to the great heart of Love. And it disappeared just like that – the pain. And I thought, I could not have of my own self done that. I just couldn’t!
I actually thought I’m getting opportunities, and that’s why I refer to it as opportunities to grow. I know (laughing) I had been getting a little apathetic [with regard to my taking God and the Christ Science a bit for granted]. And I was so grateful. I did get back to bed and I had no fear of any return or any trouble. I went sound asleep. I woke up at a more manageable hour, shall we say, and I was ready for the day. I’ll have to admit that I was more sore than I normally would have been, but I was able to do the tasks that I needed to do.
And that’s what I’ve been claiming since Bert [my husband] passed on. My every need has been met, and I have been so totally grateful. And I say, Thank You, every day. But this [mortal experience, mortal illusion, of deformed feet being so quickly healed] was a Wow!

SH 243:32 Inasmuch as God is good and the fount of all being, He does not produce moral or physical deformity; therefore such deformity is not real, but is illusion, the mirage of error. Divine Science reveals these grand facts. On their basis Jesus demonstrated Life, never fearing nor obeying error in any form.

From Concord Express – A Christian Science Study Resource: The King James Version of the Bible and Mary Baker Eddy’s published writings
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Christian Science healed me of TB, tuberculosis.

Jan Gutteter’s trusted KJV Bible verses often relied on for healing:
“Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh.
 For the Lord shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy food from being taken.” Proverbs 3:25-26
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Christian Science healed me of TB, tuberculosis.
Judy: So Jan, how did you come to Christian Science?
Jan: My grandfather had divorced and remarried. It was she who was a Christian Scientist; although I wasn’t very well acquainted with her at that time.
I had a glimpse of its teachings through a note received from her after I had run off to marry; I was quite young, quite foolish and didn’t know the fella well. I thought when I married him, then we had to say, “I do.” But from that time on I think I probably saw him once. I don’t know what he did with his time, but we traveled to 24 states and I didn’t know he was one step ahead of the law. We married in July and the following July I had a little girl. In March, before I had her, he came to me and said, I think we’ll go back to Milwaukee because that way your family can get to enjoy the child. And, you know, something inside me just said, I wonder. So we got to my parent’s home and we were unable to get motel, so they invited us — oh, my mother was so glad to see me because she had had misgivings. She invited us to stay the night, and in the morning we got up and he informed me that he was leaving, that he didn’t want the responsibility of a family and he walked out. He was 6’1”. And I was 5’2” and I couldn’t catch him. [We laughed.] It must have looked like a cartoon because I went running after him, and my mother went running after me. She was worried because of my condition. I was expecting in July.
Judy: So how again did you come to Christian Science; or perhaps I should ask, how did Science come to you?
Jan: Well, it goes back a ways.
I was working in Las Vegas, that’s the last place we [she and her first husband] were. I was working in one of the gambling places, The Golden Nugget, downtown. I wasn’t so sure I wanted a child because of the circumstances. I hardly knew I was married.
I received a note from my second grandmother. She being a Christian Scientist, there was just something that she expressed in that note that was so clear and so loving that it stuck with me.
And, when we got to my parents place I was extremely cold because it was 90-degrees in Las Vegas. When I got to Milwaukee, it was one of those March’s that have just really cold; there was still snow on the ground. So I wanted to get legal advice to see what I was to do about this situation. And I couldn’t get it because I didn’t have the money to pay, and they [attorneys] wouldn’t help me because my parents were willing to help me, and if the parents are willing then you don’t qualify. So I was really depressed and I proceeded to have pleurisy [disease that causes pain when breathing] and pneumonia [painful lung inflammation]. And my mother was such a dear. She took care of me. I was up on the second floor; I hate to think of how many times she took that flight of stairs, I was perspiring a lot because of the fever.
I had started reading the Bible because I was feeling really desperate and I thought maybe there was an answer there. I had been raised Baptist in the Sunday School from when I was in school and was little. And my mother very much loved Jesus and very much believed in his teachings. Although she never did become a Christian Scientist, she was open to it and had healings.
Well, anyway, one day the family in that household – my two brothers were still there, because one was going to college and working, and the other was still in high school – and my grandfather would stop in each day – and my sister was there with her baby because her husband was in the service – and my parents – so it was a very crowded household and there were not enough bedrooms to go around but it worked out.
They [everyone] had left for the evening so I was alone in the house. I crawled down the stairs because I was bedridden at this time. I got across the divan [sofa] and I used the piano bench to raise myself up, and happened to glance down and saw this copy laying there, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy. And that word health just jumped up. I think maybe something that my grandmother had stated made it acceptable. It was something that I could relate to. So I took the book upstairs to the bedroom and between the Bible and Science and Health I continued to read the two of them.
It was after I had my first child. I was ordered into a sanitarium for the care of tuberculosis because the x-ray they’d taken. The reason they ordered me into the sanitarium was because of this belief of contagion. However not one single person, not even my sister’s baby or my child was ever affected. You know, so much is made of contagion these days. You hear about it on the TV and you see it on the computer all the time. So, I was grateful, knowing from the beginning, knowing that God was present. HE was in charge!
So when I went into the sanitarium, I didn’t have a heavy sense of fear. I was, uhm, uh – I don’t know exactly how to express how I felt. Well, for one thing the attendant came to me right away and gave me a little glass of water and a pill. She stood over me and I was so intimidated that I felt obliged to take it. After all, I was in their care. But I only swallowed that one pill. I never took another pill while I was in the sanitarium or since. Somehow or other I had already accepted the spiritual fact that there’s no power in a pill.
Shortly before entering the Sanitarium I called a Christian Science Practitioner. I really believed God was on the scene. She lovingly informed me she couldn’t take the case because it would be an interference (conflict) with the medical belief. I said I understood and I knew where she was coming from and let it go. I had absolutely no sense of being deserted because I knew that God was still there. When I was institutionalized, my Mom brought my daughter to visit me. When they put a mask on her to protect her from me, I didn’t want her influenced by fear and so I requested not to bring her again. That lessened the burden for my Mom, too.
Judy: How long had you been reading Science and Health by this time?
Jan: Just a few months.
Judy: Just reading the textbook that short time lessened your fear and brought you healing?
Jan: Oh, yes. I had a friend that I would go visit in the sanitarium where we both resided. I had absolutely no hesitation to do so. Even though she would at times have such coughing spells that she would cough up blood while I was visiting her. (And no one would come to help her.) I just knew that blood had nothing to do with the reality of her being. I just loved her. I had absolutely no fear of the contagion at all. I was of course knowing that everybody was a child of God. And I think that she was very grateful that I was willing to spend time with her, because none of the others would go see her.
We’re perfectly safe [from the illusion of contagion]. Mrs. Eddy has something to say about that – Florence Nightingale – in Science and Health. And I accepted it. And my parents had never made a lot over diseases or doctors. But I had had a lot of instances in childhood with a couple of really nasty things. I was in the hospital twice, but I won’t go into that at this time. But I had not really learned to trust that procedure. It wasn’t that I disliked doctors, it was that I disliked what they did.
Judy: So. When the Science and Health textbook was found lying there on the floor that day by the piano – just reading of the book was how you came to rely on and trust Christian Science for healing?
Jan: Yes. Nobody in the household knew or had any memory of where it [the Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures book by Mary Baker Eddy] came from.
What’s interesting is after my father passed on, my mother was extremely ill and she called me. It was a holiday weekend. And there was a practitioner just a block away and I asked my mother if she would like her to work for her. And she said, yes!, and she was helped. I had taken two weeks off from work. After all they had taken me in and this was an opportunity to show how grateful I was. I sang hymns to her; I’d spend half a day singing hymns and she loved it.
But getting back to the case at hand [tuberculosis], they tested all the time, they took x-rays without any padding but I don’t know if they use padding today. They ran a hose through my nose and into my stomach, and I thought why are they doing this? You felt like a Guinea pig. They never explained anything, and I didn’t care to even ask because I wasn’t interested in their procedures. I was interested in what God knew. And, you know, one of the girls found out that I was studying Christian Science she had no mercy on me; she just took every opportunity to have a jolly good time making fun of me about it. But you know that I never retaliated; I never felt it necessary. I just had this sense of peace. And incidentally I never took another pill [after that first day I arrived]. The thing is, from that time on, after having taken it, I thought, why did you do that? Were you afraid of that woman? What could she have done to you? And I just didn’t take one [a pill] anymore. And I was out in one-third of the time they expected me to be there.
Judy: Did you live in the sanitarium or just check in from time to time?
Jan: I was in the sanitarium [all the time] but my child had been at my mother’s, so I knew my daughter was safe. I was in the sanitarium with eight other girls in one room. All they talked about was [their health] problems.
But I just had this sense of joy somehow. And I know what it was. You cannot be studying Science and Health and at the same time feel like you’re under a different law [than God’s divine law].
After two years they released me to out-patient care. And they told me that I should report to the infirmary to pick up medication. I hadn’t been taking any [all along] so I never went to pick it up. They discovered that I hadn’t been taking the medication, so after releasing me to out-patient care, they kept me coming back to the sanitarium for testing for six [more] years!
During that time I was married to my second husband, who couldn’t wait to adopt my daughter after we got married. He was a great man, a wonderful musician, and we had a beautiful 48-year marriage. The thing is, every time I would get that notice from the health department that I had to report out there [to the sanitarium], I would have all these [dis-ease] symptoms. I mentioned it to my husband one time. He was a member of the Christian Science church for which I was so grateful. He was my rock. He would say, you’re going out there, you’re going to be fine, you know you’re going to be fine. He was a very good Thinker. And so, I was fine. Every time I left all that discomfort [dis-ease] would just disappear once I had taken the tests and was back home. That just proves how mental that condition was.
Judy: How did your out-patient six years of continuous, required testing come to an end?
Jan: Well, I went to the Christian Science Milwaukee (Wisconsin) Committee on Publication. I talked to them about it. I said isn’t there something I can do. Anybody that is not taking medication shouldn’t have to go through all this testing to make sure they’re still okay to be out in the public. They said, why don’t you go out there and meet with the head guy and have a talk with him, and see what the result is.
So, I went out there. I was kind of a little shaky about that to begin with but then I thought, No, I know what I know and I know that God is directing and that’s all I need to know. Well, when I got out there I did get hold of one of the guys and I asked him to take out all my records. And, there was a table that was probably 15-20 feet long. He laid them out, one-by-one, well I don’t think one-by-one because he would have had to have two tables. He did have them all displayed to his satisfaction. Then, I asked him to take look at them. And he looked at me in a strange kind of way [she laughs], but he did it. He went along the table, around the end, and back. He scrutinized them, then he sat down and looked at me waiting [for me to speak]. I asked him a question. I think he may have thought I’d been talking to a lawyer or something because I asked him: if I was to be taken into a court of law today would they be able to determine me as being a public health menace? He went and looked at the records again and studied them. Then he came back and he said, no, I couldn’t. And I said, well I’m so glad to hear that because I have found a religion that puts God first, is the greatest power there is, and I’m sticking with that and I will not be out here anymore. [Laughingly she says] he sat back and said, well you may be okay today but wait ‘til 15 years from now. And I thought to myself, baloney [and she laughs]. I didn’t worry about 15 years from then; I didn’t even know when the 15 years came. That was more than 60 years ago.
~ ~ ~ ~ Jan Gutteter (recorded by Judy Piercy)~ ~ ~

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